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I'm John Batchez speaking to the Egyptologist.

It's great joy, Toby.

Great joy to talk to an Egyptologist whose new book, The Last Dynasty, is about Egypt.

Too late for the Egyptologists, mostly, not Toby.

And too early for the Roman historians who care about Cicero.

Not me, because Toby's filled in the bit between.

Ptolemy himself is a man who's born with an understanding of the world via the Macedonians.

And for reasons having to do with court intrigue, he and Alexander study under Aristotle.

You know, Toby, except for the fact that this is history, it doesn't, you can't make this stuff up.

You really can't.

I mean, how extraordinary to have had Aristotle as your tutor and to have

learned alongside the future Alexander the Great. I mean, what an extraordinary start in life.

And, you know, the thing about Ptolemy the first, and he is the sort of founding figure of the Ptolemaic

dynasty, I think he is looked, he's overlooked by historians, because what he

manages to achieve in Egypt is quite remarkable. He's a great general himself. He has served

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