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S8 Ep620: 4. Guest: Jeremy Zakis. Jeremy Zakis details the strategic "diplomacy" of his 11-year-old Spoodle, Dallas, in managing backyard bird territories,. Dallas has learned to selectively disperse aggressive minor birds, whose presence previously deterred d

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🗓️ 22 March 2026

⏱️ 7 minutes

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4. Guest: Jeremy Zakis. Jeremy Zakisdetails the strategic "diplomacy" of his 11-year-old Spoodle, Dallas, in managing backyard bird territories,. Dallas has learned to selectively disperse aggressive minor birds, whose presence previously deterred destructive cockatoos. By intervening, Dallas has allowed his "friends," the magpies, to return safely to the property. Zakis notes that Dallas demonstrates remarkable discernment, tolerating docile species like sparrows and rosellas while maintaining a "pecking order" against foes,. This behavior includes Dallas sharing his breakfast with the magpies, effectively restoring what Zakis describes as a "rightful balance of nature",,. (4)

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I'm John Datser, the Friends of History Debating Society and Jeremy Zackison, New South Wales, joins me.

0:35.5

When last we left Dallas, the Spoodle, 11-year-old

0:38.1

Spoodle, he was watching. The minor birds land on the rooftop next door, where the cockatoos,

0:47.3

the villains of the ranch, had torn apart the roof once upon a time, and were threatening

0:53.5

Jeremy's roof until the minor bird

0:55.8

showed up. And then the cockatoos are large, beautiful birds, very large. Have a bunch of feathers

1:07.9

sticking straight up on their foreheads, and they're loud.

1:13.0

Minor birds are loud, but they're not that big, but they travel in convoys.

1:18.3

So the minor birds had taken up the spot on the eve of the next door establishment,

1:27.4

and the cockatoos were nowhere, But the cockatoos came back. And apparently

1:32.5

is falling out among thieves. You know the way Jean Lafitte would maintain his crew in the

1:41.2

pirate reach outside of New Orleans. This is early 19th century.

1:45.3

19th century.

1:48.2

Andrew Jackson shows up Battle of New Orleans.

1:51.1

He becomes president.

1:52.7

War of 1812 ends in 1814.

1:55.9

Well, Jean Lafitte was out at ill at ease with other pirates.

2:01.8

That turns out to be the nature of the minor bird cockatoole relationship.

2:05.8

They don't work together.

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