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S8 Ep607: Anatol Lieven Anatol Lieven discusses whether Germany might reconnect with Russian energy to save its economy. He argues that political reputations and established security stances make a return to Moscow’s oil and gas highly improbable. Germany’s Energy

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🗓️ 19 March 2026

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Anatol Lieven Anatol Lieven discusses whether Germany might reconnect with Russian energy to save its economy. He argues that political reputations and established security stances make a return to Moscow’s oil and gas highly improbable.Germany’s Energy Dilemma and the Improbability of a Russian U-Turn (5)
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0:00.0

Conversation with colleague Anatole-Levin, the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft, asking a

0:07.4

what if, is Germany capable? What if Germany turned toward? What if Germany decided that the conflict

0:16.2

right now in the Middle East is a threat to the whole population and the economy of Germany,

0:22.9

and therefore it is necessary to look for a plan B, and that would be Russia, Russia, oil,

0:28.1

and Russian gas. What if Germany turned towards Moscow? Would that change the formula

0:33.8

for the fears for NATO? Would that change the formula for the fears for Ukraine? What if?

0:39.9

Here's Anatol to look at what may or may not be possible and why. Germany turning toward

0:47.5

Moscow, saying help. No. I mean, AFD is talking about it and some elements on the further left are talking about it.

1:00.5

But the thing is that the German mainstream and security establishment, you know, has nailed itself so often and so firmly to this line against Russia. And above all,

1:17.2

you know, by way of apologising for past dependency and supposed naivety, to the idea that we're

1:23.7

never going to buy Russian energy again, that it is extremely difficult for them

1:29.9

now to do a U-turn on that.

1:32.8

I mean, it would make them look extremely stupid.

1:35.6

And of course, politicians don't like looking stupid.

1:38.6

But you're quite right.

1:39.5

I mean, it would take, you know, that kind of action by Germany to lead the way.

1:48.9

Above all, because, you know, whereas some European countries are relatively insulated against higher gas prices,

1:57.8

I mean, this really risks ruin for the German economy, which is already suffering.

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