I'm John Batchler. I welcome my good colleague, Anatole Levin, of the Quincy Institute for Responsible

Statecraft. He's the director of the Eurasia program. Right now, he's traveling in Eurasia, the

World Island. He's in Eastern Most Hungary. This is the neighborhood of the war in Ukraine. We begin,

however, with what the war in Iran means, not only for

Eastern Europe, but also for the Eurasian continent led by the two nuclear-powered peers, Moscow and Beijing.

And it told a very good day to you in Eastern Hungary.

I go immediately to a piece of irony that struck me as

completely unexpected. I'm told in these last days because of the drone attacks and missile

attacks ongoing in the Middle East, in the Iran War, that parts of the team in Kieviv have become extremely important to Arab states such as the UAE and others.

Extremely important.

So much so they're urging, they're begging, they're seeking, they're paying for Ukrainian experts in drone warfare

to come and give them advice, given that they've been

hit these last days by drones. Completely surprised to me. I don't know that this changes the

picture for Ukraine, but it does suggest that we've entered into a new phase of warfare

where the Middle East is depending upon

the Ukraine. Do you find this significant or do we just put it down as the oddities of nature?

Good evening to you.

Hello, John. Well, it's significant as far as it goes. I mean, it shows that, you know,

there are new technologies and that they spread in the world in previously

unpreicted ways. And, you know, countries that were previously considered militarily insignificant

suddenly become actually of considerable significance. But of course, this is, and it will, you know,

it will earn money for

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