I'm John Batchler. It is happy birthday, Bob Zimmerman.

Behind the Black is here to comment on the engineering

challenges at NASA, at SpaceX, at Big Space India. However, your donations and subscriptions keep this

conversation going after many years, and you're very generous about it. We're coming to a point,

though, where SLS, decades in creation, in

explanation, in disappointment, is getting to a point where it is no longer acceptable

conduct. Bob explains. Bob, a very good evening to you. The story so far is sad and tragic. A commitment by Congress, which has changed several

times in the decades that SLS has been in development, several times. There's nobody

hardly there left from those days. Congress insists, and yet SLS is not adequate. One explanation I mention again and again because I read a lot of seafaring novels

is there's a Jonah on board.

That is not to excuse.

That is to say, accept the fact that Jonah must be gotten rid of.

And the only way to do it is the end the project.

Because you can't argue with Jonah.

Jonah tells you again and again, this is not going well.

Last time we talked about the wet dress rehearsal.

Now there's something new.

What's happened, Bob?

Good evening to you.

Good evening, John.

I once again have to thank your listeners for

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