I'm John Batchel. This is the new John Batchel show, represented by CBS News Radio,

and it's a great pleasure to welcome the author, Josh Rogan, of the Washington Post.

He is a journalist as well, writes the Global Opinions column for the Post, but now the author,

Josh Rogan, to congratulate him for his new book, Chaos Under Heaven, Trump, Xi, and the

Battle for the 21st Century.

The book is a story of the Trump administration evolving policy with the People's Republic of China.

It is also the story right now of the evolving policy of new administrations, ad infinitum, Mr. Biden's in whatever follows.

We begin, however, with something that one of the principles in the book, Matthew Pottinger,

at one time Deputy National Security Advisor, Colonel Matthew Pottinger of the U.S. Marine Corps retired,

quoted in the course of the descriptions of the evolving policy of the Trump administration.

This is from Confucius, from the Analects.

I read the English translation.

If names cannot be correct, then language cannot be in accordance with the truth of things.

And if language cannot be in accordance with the truth of things, then affairs cannot be carried

on to success.

Josh, a very good evening to you.

Congratulations.

And the Confucius quote identifies to me a reader of irony that the relationship between

Washington and Beijing between the capitalist Republic of the United

States and the communist authoritarian regime of China is a search for the names of things

and the truth of things.

We begin with a date you make much help with in 2016. It's November 1st, 2016 at the Palace Hotel. Present is a man

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