S8 Ep5: Dr. Angie Ambers

Truth & Justice with Bob Ruff

Bob Ruff

True Crime, Documentary, Society & Culture

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🗓️ 14 June 2020

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Bob is joined on the phone by the DNA analyst who originally brought the case of the Courtney Double Homicide to the Innocence Project of Texas. Dr. Ambers has spent a lot of time reviewing the case, and believes there are enough concerns to warrant a second look at Deborah Pieringer's conviction.

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0:00.0	When I sent the results to Angie, she noticed that the orchid cell mark lab received the evidence for DNA testing
0:06.8	five months after the birth.
0:09.3	From NBI Studios, this is Truth Injustice, a crowdsourced investigation in real time. I'm Bob Ruff.
0:30.0	As all of you know, this case, the double homicide of Agnes and Lloyd Courtney, was brought to us by Alice and Clayton of the Innocence Project of Texas.
0:41.2	The case was brought to Alice and originally by a DNA analyst that had been reviewing it.
0:46.6	Dr. Angie Ambers was originally approached by Agnes's niece, Leanne Dofinot, a former judge, who asked her to take a look at the case materials.
0:57.0	It didn't take long before Dr. Ambers became convinced that something was not right with Deborah Perringer's conviction.
1:08.0	Dr. Ambers agreed to jump on the phone with me this week to share her concerns.
1:12.4	I'll be honest, I was a little surprised during the conversation that you're about to hear, that despite her expertise in DNA,
1:18.4	it wasn't necessarily the blood evidence that caught her attention.
1:22.3	Our chat did not go in the direction that I expected, but it was interesting nonetheless, and it led to a very interesting analysis towards the end.
1:32.4	Here's my conversation with DNA expert Dr. Angie Ambers.
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