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Adoptions from the heart.org. I'm John Bathurst. This is CBSI and the world with Gregory Zuckerman's, the Wall Street Journal, Special Correspondent, but the author of A New Book, A Shot to Save the World, the inside story of the life or death race for COVID-19 vaccine.

These are pursuits by big pharma, big personalities, simultaneously, not knowing in their

future in the beginning of 2020 will be a pandemic that is a global catastrophe that may or may not

be solvable. Right now we have a remedy what these men and women produce. Novavax is one company that Gregory

dubs at one point, the little company that couldn't. But before we get to Novavax, we need to spend

time with Gail Smith from North Dakota, a man who seems another genius, who seems self-taught, but his methodology is based on

insects, insect cells. How so, Gregory? Yeah, so Gail Smith's a fascinating guy, as you said,

from Little Town in North Dakota, and he becomes convinced that insect cells and insect viruses can actually be really

helpful you can create vaccines he realized not many people do at a time but insects and

humans are much more like than you know most people presume they both require oxygen they

both have there's some anatomical similarities. They both have, you know,

brains and hearts and reproductive organs. And he thought that if you could use an insect

virus, which are, as they call them, they call them roomy. In other words, there's room in there.

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