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selected stores Vision Express as a credit broker and not a lender. Linda. Hello and I'm welcome to Series 8, episode 4 of Out.

Hello, I hope that whenever you're listening to this, you are having a good day.

First of all, my voice is a little bit croaky again, and I feel like I'm saying this every episode this series but it's Sunday morning

I've crept upstairs before the rest of the house is awake even the cat's still asleep

so that I can do the intro of this beautiful episode that I have to share with you today.

This is such a wonderful chat with Dan O'Neill who is a filmmaker and a biologist which, which I think that's maybe a first for out having a

biologist.

He's super interesting, he makes incredible work and I am so excited to share that conversation

with you. But before, I need to thank you

actually for getting in touch. I had lots of emails after last week's show with Emmett

de Monterey. I loved that conversation with Emmett. It seemed that it really resonated with lots of you as well.

And if you haven't listened to that one yet,

after you finish listening to this, go back and listen to that one as well because I think it's really special.

In fact I've got an email that I'd like to share about it.

Hi Susie, I just wanted to thank you for your amazing conversation with Emmett Demontre.

As a gay man with cerebral palsy myself, the same type as Emmett in fact, so much of Emmett's story

resonated with me, particularly watching the boys play football at school and liking

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