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S8 Ep342: Guest: Professor Richard Carwardine. Carwardine explains that President-elect Lincoln did not view Republicans as overly aggressive, positioning himself as a constitution-respecting centrist rather than a radical. Lincoln opposed slavery's expansion but a

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 20 January 2026

⏱️ 6 minutes

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Guest: Professor Richard Carwardine. Carwardine explains that President-elect Lincoln did not view Republicans as overly aggressive, positioning himself as a constitution-respecting centrist rather than a radical. Lincoln opposed slavery's expansion but acknowledged its constitutional protection where it already existed, believing the South was misled by elites and would eventually return to the Union. Ironically, Lincoln and Buchanan, though political opposites, worshiped at the same Washington church, sharing an old-school Presbyterian background.
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0:00.0

I'm John Batcher visiting with Professor Richard Cowardine, whose new book is Righteous Strife.

0:22.5

This is the Battle of the Pulpit, before the war begins, and during the war, and after the war, of civil strife in the 1860s.

0:35.2

Abraham Lincoln is President-elect.

0:41.4

He's watching this fast day, and it fails by all agreement. The hope that Buchanan had was always effie because he was mocked as weak.

0:50.8

Professor, the question of it failing, and Lincoln watching this failure, I note that

0:57.6

Hodge, you mentioned Hodge of the Princeton Review, hoped that the FASTA would temper, quote,

1:04.1

the uncompromising spirit of the Republican Party. I knew that Hodge thought the Republicans

1:10.3

were aggressive. Did Lincoln think that too

1:13.4

aggressive at this moment before he was president? No. Lincoln did not think that the Republicans

1:21.5

were too aggressive. He recognized that there were radicals in the party who took a position

1:26.8

and had taken a position

1:28.1

which was more radical and extreme than his own.

1:31.9

But he represented the central, as he would have put it,

1:38.0

a constitutional respecting,

1:40.3

constitution respecting center of the party.

1:43.2

He respected the South's right to its own institutions.

1:49.1

He understood that the Constitution had been a compromise.

1:53.0

There was nothing in the Constitution that allowed the federal government to make an assault on slavery.

2:00.1

Lincoln was very clear that it was the duty of the federal government to make an assault on slavery. Lincoln was very clear that it was the duty

2:02.4

of the federal government to return slaves, escaped slaves, and to not make any kind of assault

2:09.3

on the slaveholding potential of the South. But what he did stand for was the restriction,

2:15.8

the quarantining slavery into those, in those areas where it

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