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S8 Ep342: Guest: Brenda Wineapple. In 1925, the Tennessee legislature passed the Butler Act, banning the teaching of evolution in public schools. At Robinson's drugstore in Dayton, local booster George Rapier and others recruited 24-year-old science teacher John Sc

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 20 January 2026

⏱️ 10 minutes

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Guest: Brenda Wineapple. In 1925, the Tennessee legislature passed the Butler Act, banning the teaching of evolution in public schools. At Robinson's drugstore in Dayton, local booster George Rapier and others recruited 24-year-old science teacher John Scopes to violate the law as a test case to generate publicity for the town. Although Scopes was knowingly guilty, the ACLU backed the defense to challenge the law's constitutionality regarding the separation of church and state.
1925 SCOPES TRIAL, DAYTON, TENN

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0:00.0

I'm John Batchler. Keeping the faith, God, Democracy, and the trial that riveted a nation.

0:22.8

A new story and book by Brenda Wineapple, telling us the Scopes trial of 1925. It is dramatic.

0:31.2

It is sensationally important for the understanding of the culture in the 1920s. It is 100

0:36.9

years later, and it is still debatable.

0:40.7

Brenda, congratulations.

0:42.1

A very good evening.

0:43.0

I take you to Robinson's Drugstore.

0:45.7

It is early May, 1925, Dayton, Tennessee.

0:50.1

There's a meeting there over glass top tables.

0:52.8

You give us these wonderful details, Brenda.

0:55.3

They're drinking Coca-Cola with cherry flavor.

0:58.8

And they're discussing a law recently passed in January in the legislature in Tennessee.

1:05.1

And then again in March by the Senate in Tennessee becoming a law.

1:09.8

And that law is at the center of what at the time is

1:12.8

joked to be the monkey trials. What is that law? Why is it brought forward by a man named Butler?

1:19.2

Good day to you, Brenda. Good day. Nice to be with you. Thank you so much. Yes, 1925, 100 years ago, and it feels like yesterday in some ways.

1:32.0

And as you mentioned, Tennessee legislature passed something that was familiarly known as the Butler Act,

1:38.4

because John Washington Butler had proposed it. And what it was, simply put, was a ban on the teaching of evolution in public schools

1:48.0

because the theory of evolution, even though it had been around for a long time, was presumed to deny the story of divine creation as told in the Bible, and instead taught that we're descended from a lower

2:03.4

order of animals. And that was the Butler law, and that's what the Butler Act. And that's why

2:12.4

the group that you mentioned, Dayton, Tennessee, Robinson's drugstore, had gathered together.

2:19.0

Yes, and it's important. All these personalities contribute to what will be a drama in July,

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