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I'm John Batson with Jonathan Healy, an associate professor of social history at Oxford University.

His new book is comprehensively an explanation of where America comes from, my reading,

because we're about to witness through all these regents and their parliaments the arguments that the founders will use to stand up to a king in the late 18th century.

Standing to a king in the early 17th century was that much more difficult.

James I is mostly a successful leader and king. He suffers from arthritis. He also

has doubts about his ability to manage his household. We now need to introduce Charles, his son,

the heir apparent, and a man named Buckingham. His name is George Fillers. There are rumors about the

King and Buckingham having a relationship, but this is the kind of rumors that circulate around

courts. So I want to go to an incident that's much more revelatory of the future for me.

In 1622, I believe, my notes are in exact here. In 1622, the king is anticipating

trouble on the continent, and he needs help. He needs some way to hold it off. And suddenly,

Charles, the heir apparent, and Buckingham, the Duke of Buckingham,

are charging off to Madrid to meet with the King of Spain.

Jonathan, when I read this, I had to read it twice because it came out of nowhere.

What were they thinking? What was their mission?

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