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S8 Ep328: DIVERSE VOICES AND THE MILITIA MYTH Colleague Joseph Ellis. Ellis profiles key figures of 1774-1775, including the conservative John Dickinson, who sought to avoid war, and the revolutionary John Adams. He discusses the "delusion" created by Bunker Hill t

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🗓️ 17 January 2026

⏱️ 9 minutes

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DIVERSE VOICES AND THE MILITIA MYTH Colleague Joseph Ellis. Ellis profiles key figures of 1774-1775, including the conservative John Dickinson, who sought to avoid war, and the revolutionary John Adams. He discusses the "delusion" created by Bunker Hill that amateurs could defeat professionals, a myth that persisted despite military realities. Ellis highlights Thomas Paine's Common Sense, which shifted the argument to natural rights and demonized the monarchy, arguing an island could not rule a continent and making independence seem inevitable. NUMBER 2
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joseph ellis his new book is the cause the american revolution and its discontents 1773 to 1783

0:52.0

1774 passes with the continentalinental Congress and into 75.

0:57.7

And there are three men who represent the different views of this disorder between mother country,

1:07.2

which is what the region calls it, mother country.

1:10.9

George III, he uses that term before and after the conflict,

1:14.9

mother country and the colonies.

1:17.2

And the three men require a revelation of one in particular,

1:21.5

the conservative, John Dickinson.

1:23.9

Professor, what was John Dickinson in 74-75 to the cause?

1:29.8

He was the single most listened-to voice.

1:33.6

He was the most prominent figure, and he was only 28 years old.

1:36.8

He was educated at King's College at now Columbia in New York

1:41.5

and spent some time in the Middle Temple in London, very well-educated

1:45.7

young man. But he's the kind of creature who would have simply never appeared in history if

1:51.2

weren't for this crisis. Crisis create leadership or create the opportunities for it.

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