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I'm John Bachelor with Professor Joseph Ellis.

His new book is The Cause, the American Revolution and its discontents, 1773 to 1783.

Not just what happens on the battlefield, but how it's thought about before and after, what it means.

We now go to the summer of 1782.

John Jay, a man who I would want for my attorney in eternity.

Good heavens, he is better.

This man comes forward with a suggestion one summer's evening in France, chatting with the Spanish ambassador to France, Count

Aranda. They're pausing over a map. They're debating the future if and when Britain seeks

to end the war. They're looking at a map of the continent, what they have. Count Aranda,

and this is Spain. France gave up its continental empire when it was defeated in the 1763.

Spain, however, has a portion of it, you will recall, a very large portion of it that will

become critical for the expansion

of the United States in the 19th century. But right now, Canorand is looking at a line. He draws

somewhere between Ohio and the middle of Florida, Florida being a Spanish possession at the time.

John Jay cleverly leans forward and finds the Mississippi and points out the Mississippi.

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