I'm John Badger with Cliff May, the founder and president of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies.

His column in the Washington Times gives us what Caracas represents right now to the people of Venezuela.

The 20 million still there, the 7 to 9 million who fled, the opposition led by Karina Machado,

and the elected president Gonzalez-Herike.

What are the four, four families that dominate the Mira Flores, the palace after Maduro's exit?

One family.

This is Dulce Rodriguez and her brother Jorge, who's head of the National Assembly.

That's one crime family.

They have their own lieutenants. Another crime family is Petrina Lopez. He is the chief military man,

wears a uniform. He commands the army gang. And then there's a man named Deis Dalo,

Dado, Acabeo. He is the Ministry of Interior. That's the police. That's the guys with the guns who run the torture chambers. All right. And finally, there's the Maduro gang, headless for now. But there will be replacements in time. They all have a piece of the narco-terrorist traffic, smuggling, gun-running, murder for hire, all of that.

It's going on for years.

And yet, there they are in place.

And what is to be done?

Cliff, I hope I've presented it in the best Godfather fashion.

Good evening to you.

I think you have.

I think you've done a very good job, as usual, John.

What is to be done?

Well, there's a great deal that can be done.

And I'm not going to hold it by any means against President Trump for not going very quickly

because he does have to think about past interventions by the U.S.

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