I'm John Batchel. I'm joined by my good colleague, Professor Evan Ellis, the Latin American Research Professor for the U.S. Army War College Strategic Studies Institute. The Americas are

in turmoil following the successful detention of Maduro, the dictator of Venezuela, now in

custody in the United States. And so I welcome, Evan, as we march through

the capitals that are either responding or do not wish any more trouble. And that begins with

Caracas itself, and then on to Havana. Professor, a very good day to you. I have read in the European coverage that there are four major crime families contending for authority in Caracas following the exit of Maduro and its wife.

One is Padrina Lopez, the highest military man, his gang.

Another is Dulce Rodriguez and her brother Jorge, the head of the National Assembly, their gang.

Then there is the man, deistallo Cabello, the head of the Interior Department, Ministry of Interior, which is the police, the guys with the guns.

And finally, there's the Headless Madura clan.

These are four players in the profits of narco-terrorism and smuggling and other bad acting.

How do you measure at this point the stability of these four contending for leadership, for domination.

And by the way, there is this feeling that the work in Venezuela is unfinished.

Good day to you, Evan.

Good day to you, John.

Well, certainly the various different contending powers in Venezuela is complex.

There's probably a tendency to want to group them into autonomous, identifiable groups.

But in reality, all of these different actors and a number of others have sometimes worked

together, sometimes competed.

And I think there's a certain angling for how one can take advantage of the situation.

You know, clearly right now you have with Delci Rodriguez trying to go along with President Trump

and certain things with respect to selling oil, the implications that she may have, you know,

sold out Maduro for her own, you know, power interests and the special relationship that she may have, you know, sold out Maduro for her own, you know, power interests and the special

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