I'm John Batchel with Peter Berkowitz, my colleague of longstanding.

He reads the books so I don't have to because I can come to Peter afterwards and say,

what the heck is going on?

We're now debating something called The New Right, which every once in a while, I see it pop up in the media,

but I spend a whole lot of time reading other worlds, for example, the Roman world.

And the Roman world doesn't have easy

categories like these. So I count on Peter to help me understand them. It looks Peter like

there's a lot of vote getting going on here. Good for them. That is the way to do it. But they're

not doing it in the Republican fashion that I'm familiar with.

The Republican Party, all right, John, what is the Republican Party when you use that word?

The Republican Party was founded on the concept of liberty, a single term, liberty.

And it was applied immediately to the crisis period of the 1850s when the party rose up and ate the Whig Party of the North

and determined abolition as one of its causes but not the driving force.

It was very much for maintaining the Union.

That was then, civil war.

Since then, the Republican Party has spent a lot of time being classical

liberal, smaller, better, and a government that represents me as a government that leaves me

alone to 10-mile garden. That's the Republican Party. Is that all gone now in the right?

Does the right find that unacceptable, childish, trite, old-fashioned?

Because that Republican Party signs up a lot of people.

It did sign up a lot of people, and I believe when you get right down to it, it still describes

the sensibility of many Trump voters. It, however, does not describe the sensibility of the members of the new right,

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