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S8 Ep313: Guest: Jonathan Schanzer. Syria's new central government remains extremely fragile, with authority barely extending beyond Damascus as factions clash in Aleppo. Schanzer describes a "Sunni jihadist regime" facing retribution from sectarian minorities. Mea

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🗓️ 14 January 2026

⏱️ 8 minutes

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Guest: Jonathan Schanzer. Syria's new central government remains extremely fragile, with authority barely extending beyond Damascus as factions clash in Aleppo. Schanzer describes a "Sunni jihadist regime" facing retribution from sectarian minorities. Meanwhile, regional tensions escalate as Israel and Iran reportedly narrowly avoided direct conflict, prompting Russia to evacuate its embassy.
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0:00.0

I'm John Betts who is my colleague Jonathan Shanzer, the executive director of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies.

0:22.8

All eyes on Tehran, yes.

0:25.2

And the rest of the cities in Iran are at various stages of revolt.

0:29.7

Some are holding back, wondering if we're bringing back the dynasty and the Savak of the 1970s.

0:36.7

Others have broken away entirely from the Iranian hold, and one

0:40.6

would be Syria, but Jonathan, fighting in Aleppo between the regime and the Kurds, these are two

0:50.4

what are called generally anti-terrorist allies of the United States. And the central

0:58.2

government has issued orders to their so-called Syrian National Army to attack the Kurds who are

1:05.0

invited to join the Syrian National Army. Does this make any logical sense? It doesn't make any sense in the way that you framed it,

1:12.8

John. What I would only note here is that the regime of Ahmed al-Shara, also known as Abu

1:18.8

Muhammad al-Jolani, is very fragile. This is a regime that is getting support from the West,

1:25.5

from the Europeans, from the Turks, and from a handful of others,

1:29.7

in the hope that it pulls out in one piece, that it remains in power when all is said and done.

1:35.7

But from everything that we're hearing right now, the factional differences, the sectarian differences,

1:41.5

the long memories of those fought during the Syrian Civil War, which broke

1:46.6

out 14, 15 years ago, this is something that people are not willing to forget. They're not willing

1:53.1

to forgive. And so the various factions have long memories and have a sense of wanting retribution.

2:00.3

And that's what's happening right now, John.

2:02.1

You're seeing different factions probing for weakness,

2:05.4

trying to figure out whether there are ways that they can circumvent the new central government.

2:09.7

As I understand it right now, John, the central government does not really extend past Damascus.

2:15.3

And when you talk about cities like Palmyra, it just does not hold the same power.

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