I'm John Batchel. I welcome my colleague Bill Rajo for the Foundation for the Defense of Democracy.

It keeps a long war journal. And there's chaos around the planet, but not to leave out the threat of the People's Republic of China in the guise of cyber spying, cyber espionage, cyber sabotage.

A new book, The Great Heist, China's Epic Campaign to

to Steal America's Secrets, just published by David Shed and Andrew Badger. And our colleague,

David Shed, joins us now. David is the former acting director of the Defense Intelligence Agency,

many decades of work in U.S. intelligence.

And the book, The Great Heist, tells the story, it's maddening, but it's there,

of the concerted effort of the Chinese Communist Party

to steal everything that isn't nailed down,

and most of what's nailed down in the U.S. government

and the governments of our allies these many years.

And now we have this article from the Financial Times that I welcome you, David, to comment on.

China hacked email systems of U.S. Congressional Committee staff subhead Beijing's intelligence

to use salt typhoon,

capital S, capital T, to access communications used by top panels in U.S. Congress.

That is January 7th, 2026. Nothing out of date about this. Nothing will stop it, said Hushantau.

We'll stop it, said Xi Jinping.au, will stop it, said Xi Jinping.

David, a good morning to you.

The article in the Financial Times, not news to you, is it news to the Trump administration

that China remains the outsized threat?

Good evening to you.

Good evening to you as well and delighted to talk to your audience about what is really best characterized in the case of the Chinese cyber activities as campaigns.

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