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S8 Ep291: TRANSFORMERS AND OPENAI Colleague Gary Rivlin. The development of the "transformer" paper at Google, the rise of large language models like GPT, and OpenAI's pivot from non-profit to a Microsoft-backed entity. NUMBER 13

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🗓️ 9 January 2026

⏱️ 11 minutes

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TRANSFORMERS AND OPENAI Colleague Gary Rivlin. The development of the "transformer" paper at Google, the rise of large language models like GPT, and OpenAI's pivot from non-profit to a Microsoft-backed entity. NUMBER 13
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0:00.0

This is CBS Eye on the World.

0:08.6

Here's John Batchelor.

0:11.7

Continuing with Gary Rivlin, AI Valley is the new book, Microsoft Google,

0:18.3

and the trillion-dollar race to cash in artificial intelligence.

0:21.9

We can add meta.

0:23.5

We can certainly add Apple.

0:27.2

We can add all the so-called Magnificent Seven,

0:30.7

because they're all participating in some fashion with artificial intelligence.

0:35.4

Remember, we've learned, thanks to Gary,

0:38.3

that when artificial intelligence is used and it's successful,

0:42.8

we no longer call it AI.

0:44.6

We call it Google Maps.

0:46.2

We call it Google Search.

0:48.1

It's not scary, but it has a picture of the future that it goes in two directions.

0:56.7

They're called the Dumers versus the Accelerationists.

0:59.9

And if that sounds like gang warfare, it can be.

1:04.8

Gary, let's begin with the Accelerationist,

1:07.9

because that's our original protagonist, Mr. Hoffman.

1:11.3

What is an accelerationist?

1:14.1

So the accelerationists believe that AI is going to do so many extraordinary things

1:20.9

for health care, for science, for education, across the boards, that nothing should get in the way, whether it's regulators

1:30.9

or the trust and safety teams within a company that denying the world or slowing down

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