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S8 Ep274: THE AMATEUR SPIES AND THE 1934 DINNER Colleague Charles Spicer. In December 1934, Ernest Tennant, a British banker deeply scarred by the loss of friends and family in the First World War, attended a pivotal dinner in Berlin with Adolf Hitler and Joachim v

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 1 January 2026

⏱️ 12 minutes

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THE AMATEUR SPIES AND THE 1934 DINNER Colleague Charles Spicer. In December 1934, Ernest Tennant, a British banker deeply scarred by the loss of friends and family in the First World War, attended a pivotal dinner in Berlin with Adolf Hitler and Joachim von Ribbentrop. Tennant, along with fellow protagonist Philip Conwell-Evans, sought to prevent another continental war by fostering closer ties between British and German society through organizations like the Anglo-German Fellowship. Ribbentrop, an Anglophile who had lived in London, used these social connections to move decision-makers closer to the Nazi leadership, exploiting the fact that the British government initially viewed Hitler with disdain and had not engaged him diplomatically. The narrative introduces the Travelers Clubin London as a hub for these internationalists and intelligence figures, setting the stage for a story of amateur espionage aimed at civilizing a regime that would eventually launch a predatory war. NUMBER 1
1945 NUREMBERG PROSECUTION

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0:00.0

This is CBS Eye on the World.

0:08.5

Here's John Batchelor.

0:11.0

December, 1944, Berlin at the Reichs Chancellery.

0:16.0

Invited to dinner is our protagonist, Ernest Tennant. He is to sit with the dictator, Adolf Hitler,

0:25.1

and a man by the name of Ribbentrop, Joachim Ribbentrop, who will eventually be the ambassador

0:32.7

of Germany to England and Great Britain, and then he will be the foreign minister of Hitler, who will launch

0:39.9

a predatory war that here in the 21st century still scars civilization. I attend this dinner

0:48.0

thanks to a new book, Coffee with Hitler by Charles Spicer, the untold story of the amateur spies who tried to civilize the Nazis.

0:57.4

One of those informants, amateur spies, is Ernest Tennant, a man of the city, a well-thought-of,

1:04.5

gentlemen in London. Charles, congratulations. Your book is wonderfully written. It is transporting.

1:10.7

And you take me right

1:11.7

into this dinner in the redesigned Reich Chancellor. And the dinner is meant to begin a conversation

1:18.9

between these two countries, Great Britain and Germany, who are eyeing each other as possible

1:24.8

adversaries, but are both still weighed down by the damage of the

1:29.3

first war. What do we need to know about Ernest Tennant, him attending this dinner that night?

1:34.5

What is his ambition? Good evening to you, Charles. Good evening. And thank you for having me.

1:41.0

Ernest Tennant had been extraordinarily scarred by his experiences in the Great War, as it then would be being called, in that he had, he joined up in military intelligence.

1:55.3

And by 1916, so in the trenches in France, By 1916, two thirds of his male family members and his schoolmates,

2:08.2

of about 32 male friends and relations, within two years, two thirds of them had been killed.

2:15.8

And this left him absolutely convinced that the most important thing was to prevent another war

2:22.1

on the continent and particularly between Britain and Germany.

2:27.0

And the attendance of this dinner, he is an acquaintance, a colleague, a correspondent with Ribentrop, Fun Ribotrop.

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