I'm John Batchel with Charles Spicer, the author of Coffee with Hitler, the untold story of the amateur spies who tried to civilize the Nazis.

The war spills out across Europe, across Asia, around the world, the catastrophe, the deaths of tens of millions of people, the brutality and the

sadism, but the war has ended, and the Nuremberg trials begin.

The von Ribbentrop is captured. Guring is captured, and Hess is in custody, has been, since

July of 1940. Himmler commits suicide.

Hitler of course committed suicide. But the trial at Nuremberg is a is a first draft telling

of who was responsible and how guilty. And Charles spends time with it, and we will too,

because there are revelations at the trial

that are important to understand

the historical record as presented afterwards.

This is the three men who are,

especially in the witness box together,

Ribbentrop, Gering, and Hess.

Charles writes, they all had good World War I records,

but have all participated in some fashion in the brutality.

They will all be convicted.

There is not a doubt of their guilt.

And yet we begin with von Ribbentrop.

You emphasize Charles how he looks to have had a nervous breakdown because he let

himself go. He let his cell go and he was in despair. He, in the witness box was, you characterized

him as muddled, but he wanted to call a lot of witnesses, including our principles, to explain

what? What was his thinking? What rationalization did he have,

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