I'm John Batchel with Charles Spicer.

His book is Coffee with Hitler, the untold story of the amateur spies who tried to civilize the Nazis.

Lloyd George met Hitler in September of 36.

It is now the summer of 37 into the fall of 37.

There is no longer an illusion in London that the Nazi regime is rising to power, both to remilitarize and to brutalize its citizens everywhere, but especially Jewish citizens.

At the same time, the D.E. Deg in Berlin and the Anglo-German

fellowship in London are being penetrated by spies. And I hardly have time to go very far in these

avenues that Charles introduces us to. But the NKVD is present. MI5 is always watching the fellowship. Also, I've not, I must note at this

point that one of the hires of a German speaker, a young man from Cambridge, who was a fluent

German speaker, who has been identified in Cambridge as very left, is named Philby, Kim Filby. Charles, when I read this

part of your book, I said, this is too much. I've had to learn the Cambridge Five entirely from the

Soviet point of view. Now I have to learn it from the German point of view. Why was Kim Filby at the

Anglo-German Fellowship? He was hired by them. He was paid by them.

Yes, he was asked by, invited to come in to set up the publicity department, to do a bit of what we would now call PR.

And just like now when, you know, companies run by older businessmen need to do stuff with

social media, they will go to university graduates from a top university to get the latest

thinking. That's what they appear to have done by getting Kim Filby to come and join. He's introduced

by a family friend who's a member of the Sir Roger Chance,

who's a family friend, who's a member of the fellowship. And he joins both as a member and a member

of the staff. And he's reporting to his cutout, or he's reporting to the Soviets, because Stalin

is watching this. And a sidebar from later in the story,

but let's introduce us. Stalin pays a great deal of attention to the fellowship in London

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