I'm John Batchewa, Jeff Waro, the author of the Vietnam War.

It is January 1968.

A man made the name of Li Dwan is in charge of the North Vietnamese military, in charge of the

country.

He's a communist, but he's a nationalist. The U.S. thinks it's Hocci-Men. He's essentially elbowed aside. The idea is to knock the U.S. out of the war,

with one offensive using the Viet Cong and the NVA. There's preparation for it, and it's not unknown by MacVee.

They can see it building up, but they believe they can handle it.

And here it comes.

30 January, 1968, it continues on to March.

The shocking thing was they had a plan to get inside the U.S. Embassy, and they did.

And the casualties in Vietnam, in Saigon, were unbelievably high for both sides, but especially

for the NVA and the VC attacking.

However, it showed up on American television, and that is probably the victory that Vietnam, North Vietnam, Lidouin, won it.

Was it conscious on his part, Jeff? Is there a paper to say that the NBA and the Hanoi knew that getting onto television was a win.

Yes, I mean, the North Vietnamese follow this,

the script of Maoist revolutionary warfare throughout this war,

but they add something that, you know, Mao hadn't been quite so adept at,

and that's this sort of global information warfare, where, you know,

where they're kind of, they're talking about how, you know, they're just basically fighting

a war against this neocolonial power, and they have to defeat them. So, you know, they're trying to,

they're trying to, like, really give a shock to the system. And the other thing is, for the North Vietnamese, you know, they're trying to, like, really give a shock to the system. And the other thing is,

for the North Vietnamese, if you just sort of think, it often sounds like the U.S. is really losing

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