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S8 Ep272: MCNAMARA'S REDEMPTION AT THE WORLD BANK Colleague William Taubman. After leaving the Defense Department, McNamara sought redemption as President of the World Bank, shifting its focus to aiding the "poorest of the poor" and combating diseases like river bl

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 1 January 2026

⏱️ 7 minutes

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MCNAMARA'S REDEMPTION AT THE WORLD BANK Colleague William Taubman. After leaving the Defense Department, McNamara sought redemption as President of the World Bank, shifting its focus to aiding the "poorest of the poor" and combating diseases like river blindness. He viewed this humanitarian work as an attempt to explain the lives lost in Vietnam, later admitting that the bombing campaigns he oversaw failed to break enemy morale just as they had in World War II. While he claimed ignorance regarding the toxicity of Agent Orange and struggled with family estrangement due to the war, he eventually attempted to reconcile his legacy and his relationship with his son. NUMBER 8
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0:00.0

This is CBSI on the world.

0:06.8

I'm spending time with Professor Bill Talbot of Amherst College.

0:10.7

With his brother Philip Talbman, they've published a book filled with information not seen before, really good information.

0:18.9

However, McNamara remains often a cipher,

0:22.5

often a cipher to this amateur reader,

0:25.7

a new history.

0:26.9

After the Pentagon, there is the World Bank.

0:29.5

He becomes president of the World Bank.

0:31.6

He arrives very early in the morning, leaves late at night,

0:34.5

travels the world,

0:36.2

is repairing himself after years of struggle at the

0:41.1

Pentagon. However, Professor, the World Bank at this point, what is its job? Because when he

0:47.7

first takes over, he's surprised at how little it's doing, a very small portfolio.

0:53.9

Well, he's in charge, although he's in charge in part because he's appointed by the

0:59.8

American president, which is the U.S. is the biggest contributor to the World Bank.

1:04.9

But he has a council of people from all other countries who are contributing to the bank,

1:10.4

and he sees that he wants to be individually running the bank.

1:16.7

And the first thing he decides is it's giving too little money to the poorest of the poor.

1:23.5

It's spending most of its money, its money on infrastructure, dams, highways, things like that.

1:31.3

And so he carries out a revolution at the World Bank in which they redirect much of their money to trying to help, as I say, and as he says, the poorest of the poor.

1:43.0

One example of that is he becomes aware of river blindness,

1:48.8

which is a terrible disease, which in a certain part of Africa, is transmitted by mosquitoes

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