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S8 Ep270: FAMINE AND FLIGHT TO FREEDOM Colleague Mark Clifford, The Troublemaker. Jimmy Lai was born into a wealthy family that lost everything to the Communist revolution, forcing his father to flee to Hong Kong while his mother endured labor camps. Left behind, L

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🗓️ 3 January 2026

⏱️ 10 minutes

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FAMINE AND FLIGHT TO FREEDOM Colleague Mark Clifford, The Troublemaker. Jimmy Lai was born into a wealthy family that lost everything to the Communist revolution, forcing his father to flee to Hong Kong while his mother endured labor camps. Left behind, Lai survived as a child laborer during a devastating famine where he was perpetually hungry. A chance encounter with a traveler who gave him a chocolate bar inspired him to escape to Hong Kong, the "land of chocolate," stowing away on a boat at age twelve. NUMBER 9
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0:00.0

This is CBS Eye on the World. Here's John Batchelor. The Troublemaker, how Jimmy Lai became a billionaire, Hong Kong's

0:15.9

greatest dissident, and China's most feared critic. I welcome the author and publisher and editor Mark Clifford,

0:24.4

who takes us into the world of China during and right after the revolution. And the birth of a man

0:31.7

we now remember is Jimmy Lai. At the time he's born in the Pearl River Basin,

0:42.3

you've heard of that often because that is the centerpiece of China's transformation from a desperately poor, ripped apart country at the end of the Second War

0:47.7

to the miracle of these last decades.

0:50.8

And now the troubled land once again.

0:57.9

I congratulate you, Mark. This is a story that is a one-man story, but it's also the story of a transformation of a whole culture from

1:04.4

starvation and desperation to the right now what we see is a civil rights catastrophe. But there is another day here in the

1:14.9

21st century. Jimmy Live is born, I believe I have the date right, sometime in 1948, which

1:22.8

means. We think it was probably 47. He doesn't really know his, you know, even the government documents are

1:28.3

kind of all over the place. But yeah, he was born a year or two before Mao took power in China

1:34.1

after, as you say, after World War II and then the culmination of the Chinese Civil War that saw

1:40.4

the communist triumph and send the nationalist KMT packing to Taiwan.

1:46.8

The important scene for me, early in your book, is that dad is leaving forever.

1:53.8

And he picks Jimmy up and says, you're destined for great things.

1:57.4

Who is dad?

1:58.2

Why is he leaving?

1:59.6

And who's Jimmy's mother at that moment? Good evening to you.

2:02.4

Yeah. Anyway, thanks so much for interest, John. It's great, great to be on the show.

2:08.7

Jimmy's dad was, had married into a prosperous shipping family in, as you say, Pearl River Delta,

2:15.2

near what we used to call Canton, Guangzhou.

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