This is John Batchelor, conversation with the author and journalist Keith Hagey.

Her new book, The Optimist, this is the story of Sam Maltman, the man who heads up chat

CBT, an artificial intelligence lab now being monetized in some fashion.

I asked Keats at some point the warnings coming from, among others,

Jeff Hinton of the University of Toronto,

that AI can be and will be and may be many possibilities,

dangerous to mankind.

And I asked if Sam is concerned about that, because he's certainly well informed about

Jeff Hinton.

And here's Keach's very careful reply.

Accurate, too, as far as I can tell at this moment.

Is AI dangerous?

People who understand it say yes.

Sam Altman?

Teach gives us the explanation.

More of this tonight.

Well, it depends on when you ask him.

So early on, Sam brought forward those same warnings.

After ChatGPT launched and became viral, Sam was the one going around saying, you know,

this is wonderful, but if it goes wrong, I could go very wrong.

He testified before Congress saying we should regulate this because there are possibilities

that if we don't align this properly, it could, he doesn't say this.

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