S8 Ep234: PREVIEW STATE DEPARTMENT CHALLENGES WITH PANAMA AND CCP INTERFERENCE Colleague Mary Kissel. Mary Kissel evaluates the State Department under Secretary Rubio, noting fewer negative leaks but significant challenges regarding Panama. She details how the CCP
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🗓️ 23 December 2025
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| 0:35.4 | This is John Batchett, a conversation with my good colleague, Mary Kissel. |
| 0:38.1 | Former Senior Advisor of the Secretary of State, |
| 0:44.8 | I asked Mary about the ways of the State Department, especially with the challenge of all these active theaters, the New World, Europe, the Middle East, not to forget especially the question |
| 0:53.3 | about Panama. |
| 0:56.0 | Mary here comments on how the Chinese do deals. |
| 1:01.3 | They make a deal and they tear it up and you have to start all over again in the morning. |
| 1:07.1 | That looks to be what's happening at Panama is married to introduce Johnny's dealmaking, |
| 1:13.6 | not even 24 hours. |
| 1:16.1 | Much more of this than I. |
| 1:18.5 | Well, the State Department has so many functions. |
| 1:20.9 | It's almost impossible to answer that question at a macro level, John. |
| 1:25.1 | One way you can measure it is by the number of negative leaks that are |
| 1:28.7 | printed in the New York Times. And by that measure, Secretary Rubio is doing relatively well. |
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