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The John Batchelor Show

S8 Ep205: David Shedd details espionage cases, including an Apple engineer stealing "Project Titan" car schematics for a Chinese competitor. He also describes a Google employee who stole AI data while secretly working for a Chinese firm, highlighting how corporate

The John Batchelor Show

John Batchelor

Books, Society & Culture, News, Arts

4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 18 December 2025

⏱️ 10 minutes

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Summary

David Shedd details espionage cases, including an Apple engineer stealing "Project Titan" car schematics for a Chinese competitor. He also describes a Google employee who stole AI data while secretly working for a Chinese firm, highlighting how corporate greed and weak internal security enable intellectual property theft.
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0:00.0

My place in tech changes every day, but I don't fear the future,

0:05.0

because I'm with the leader, Pluralsight.

0:08.0

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0:13.0

to master new tech skills and create bigger impact,

0:17.0

so I can learn quickly and stay ahead.

0:20.0

With Pluralsight, I don't quickly and stay ahead.

0:23.3

With Pluralsight, I don't fear what's next.

0:24.9

I embrace it.

0:28.3

Tap in at Pluralsight.com and see for yourself.

0:36.8

This is CBSI on the world.

0:39.2

I'm John Batchel with my colleague David Shed.

0:45.5

He is the co-author with Andrew Badger of a new book I recommend for reading.

0:49.2

If you're planning on doing any business with China whatsoever,

0:52.2

you should probably do a little background about how they're going to steal everything,

0:54.2

including the buttons on your shirt if they need them. The Great Heist, China's epic campaign to steal America's secrets.

1:01.3

This is under Xi Jinping on steroids plus. However, there are some examples that are worth

1:08.7

smiling about. One, David tells quickly at the beginning of the book, Elon Musk,

1:13.9

richest man in the solar system, right?

1:16.0

Well, he's got a Tesla plant.

1:17.7

He's got a battery plant for Tesla's in China.

1:22.8

And he doesn't share it, right?

1:24.9

It's his.

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