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S8 Ep201: Gregory Copley observes a 2025 shift toward nationalism and decisive leadership, asserting that globalism is declining. He notes that nuclear weapons are becoming "unusable" due to changing military doctrines and warns that Western democracies are sliding

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🗓️ 17 December 2025

⏱️ 14 minutes

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Summary

Gregory Copley observes a 2025 shift toward nationalism and decisive leadership, asserting that globalism is declining. He notes that nuclear weapons are becoming "unusable" due to changing military doctrines and warns that Western democracies are sliding toward autocracy, drawing historical parallels to Oliver Cromwell's rise as Lord Protector.
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0:00.0

This is CBS I on the World. I'm John Batchel. Gregory Copley, my mentor, protégé, a colleague, and the

0:13.0

editor and publisher of Defense and Foreign Affairs is here, and Gregory's agreed with my request

0:18.7

to go along with lessons learned from 2025, looking to

0:22.2

2026. And everything is in play. What have you learned that you didn't know at the beginning of

0:28.2

the year about the adversary, about the ally, about leadership, about how human beings are

0:34.1

working here together or not in the 21st century. I want to offer this example,

0:39.1

Gregory, to you. The Army-Navy game that happened in these last days. There came a time waiting

0:44.9

for the game to start, the flip of the coin, when the President of the United States in its

0:49.3

flowing cashmere overcoat, hatless, walked out between these two mastiff men, huge military men with

0:58.0

ribbons on their chests.

0:59.7

I can't say who they were or what their rank were, but they were gorgeous.

1:03.6

And the president was between them with a small smile on his face, walking out onto the

1:07.6

field where the referees were ranging to flip the coin for the captain of the Navy team, the captain of the Army team.

1:14.8

This is a ceremony that happens every year and it's celebrated forever.

1:19.1

Go Navy, go Army, Navy, beat Army is repeated.

1:23.0

The midshipmen in the stands, the cadets in another stand, their families all around them. Wonderful.

1:29.6

The president handled it beautifully, walked out, accepted the cheering of, I don't know,

1:36.2

was that 50,000? Was that 500,000? Could have been anything. I watched it in fascination because

1:42.2

Donald Trump is really good at pageantry, at ceremony.

1:47.3

Not only the best I've ever seen, it might be the best in the century.

1:51.6

We might not have anybody to achieve it.

1:54.0

And if I read history correctly, that is necessary to offer to people who are worried about their futures or their past

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