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S8 Ep176: Devil's Advocates: Robert Stryk, Rudy Giuliani, and the Business of Influence: Colleague Kenneth P. Vogel discusses how in the power vacuum created by Donald Trump's arrival in Washington, unconventional lobbyists like Robert Stryk rose to prominence by m

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🗓️ 9 December 2025

⏱️ 12 minutes

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Devil's Advocates: Robert Stryk, Rudy Giuliani, and the Business of Influence: Colleague Kenneth P. Vogel discusses how in the power vacuum created by Donald Trump's arrival in Washington, unconventional lobbyists like Robert Stryk rose to prominence by marketing access to the new administration; Stryk, described as an "anti-hero" with a checkered business past, hosted a lavish event at the Hay-Adams Hotel to legitimize the regime of Joseph Kabila of the Democratic Republic of Congo, successfully delivering Rudy Giuliani as Trump's personal attorney, signaling a new informal channel for foreign diplomacy and highlighting how foreign regimes utilized large sums of money and unconventional intermediaries to seek favor.
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0:00.0

This is CBS Eye on the World. Here's John Batchelor.

0:11.8

This is CBSI. On the World. I'm John Batchelor. It is spring, 2018, Washington, D.C., the Hay

0:19.6

Adams Hotel, a posh setting, and the rooftop gives you a view

0:26.2

of the White House and the grounds around the White House, the Treasury Building,

0:29.8

the Executive Office Building, the corridors of power. An event that evening, hosted by a lobbyist, a man with some reputation, who is seeking to please the representatives of the Democratic Republic of Congo at that moment facing an election.

0:48.7

The longtime President Kabila is asked to step aside for democracy. He may not want to. And this event is to

0:57.7

demonstrate to the DRC that they have chosen the right man, Robert Strick, the lobbyist, who can

1:05.0

deliver for them a relationship with the State Department that permits them to maintain power

1:09.9

while not maintaining Mr.

1:11.9

Cabela in the presidency.

1:13.8

There's much more to say, and I welcome the author of this scene in a new book, Devil's Advocates,

1:20.3

The Hidden Story of Rudy Giuliani, Hunter Biden, and the Washington Insiders on the payroll of

1:25.6

corrupt foreign interests.

1:30.5

Kenneth P. Vogel, Ken Vogel of the New York Times,

1:34.4

who's watched this story of lobbying for many years,

1:37.4

and we give him back his life now to talk about his book.

1:39.6

Congratulations, Ken. A very good evening to you.

1:47.2

Robert Strick as hosting a party that may or may not be pleasing to him because some important people to whom he invited did not show up, including John Bolton, the National Security Advisor at the time,

1:52.5

members of the State Department, they're not there. But suddenly a man everybody knows walks

1:58.8

in with a date. His name is Rudy Giuliani, the former mayor of New York,

2:03.6

known as America's mayor. Who is Robert Strick? And why is Rudy Giuliani there? And what does it mean

2:11.1

to be on the roof of the Hay Adams when you're taking money from the Democratic Republic of Congo?

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