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S8 Ep153: Ukraine Talks Lack Firm Position Amid Russian Maximalist Demands — John Batchelor, Bill Roggio, John Hardie — Batchelor reports that US Envoy Witkoff is proceeding to Moscow for negotiations, but the American and Ukrainian negotiating positions remain uns

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🗓️ 2 December 2025

⏱️ 13 minutes

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Ukraine Talks Lack Firm Position Amid Russian Maximalist DemandsJohn Batchelor, Bill Roggio, John HardieBatchelor reports that US Envoy Witkoff is proceeding to Moscow for negotiations, but the American and Ukrainian negotiating positions remain unsettled and insufficiently coordinated, particularly regarding territorial concessions and security guarantee structures. Hardie characterizes Russian demands as fundamentally maximalist, claiming territory including strategically defensible portions of Donetsk that Russian forces have not militarily conquered. Roggio documents that President Putin remains overconfident regarding the conflict trajectory, apparently believing that prolonging the war will ultimately yield more favorable settlement terms and territorial gains than immediate negotiation.

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0:00.0

This is CBS Eye on the World. Here's John Batchelor. Bill Rajo, my good colleague and co-respondent.

0:14.0

He keeps the Long War Journal. He's a senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracy.

0:19.3

And someone who reports on FDD routinely every week.

0:24.1

John Hardy joins us.

0:25.4

John is our eyes on Ukraine.

0:28.3

The story has become very complicated and with different channels these last days.

0:33.4

I begin with headlines out of Reuters to show how different the headlines can look.

0:40.0

Europeans rally around Ukraine as Trump envoy heads to Moscow.

0:44.2

That would be Mr. Whitkoff.

0:46.1

Or Kremlin says Ukraine's strike on CPC terminal was outrageous given its international importance.

0:53.2

And Kazakhstan tells Ukraine to stop attacking oil

0:57.0

terminal. Ukraine enjoying drone success will come to that. But I begin with negotiation or diplomacy

1:04.6

or talks. John, there have been talks in Florida, I believe attended by Mr. Rubio.

1:11.0

There have been talks in Geneva. I'm not attended by Mr. Rubio. There have been talks in Geneva.

1:12.8

I'm not sure who was in attendance, but it was the U.S. and Moscow exchanging thoughts.

1:18.6

And now Mr. Whitkoff is headed to Moscow.

1:21.5

There might be more I'm missing out on.

1:24.1

Is there a general theme for these talks?

1:26.9

Are they going in different directions to your knowledge?

1:29.7

Good evening to you.

1:31.2

Before we discuss Sunday's talks, it was probably useful just to give a little bit of background

1:36.1

for folks who haven't been following this closely.

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