S8 Ep127: 3/4, Ukraine Diplomacy, NATO Defense Gaps, and Baltic War Ga/.mes — Gregory Copley — Copley analyzes the opaque U.S.-Russia Ukraine peace talks, which initially involved non-traditional negotiators rather than career diplomats. European powers are seeki

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3/4, Ukraine Diplomacy, NATO Defense Gaps, and Baltic War Ga/.mes — Gregory Copley — Copley analyzes the opaque U.S.-Russia Ukraine peace talks, which initially involved non-traditional negotiators rather than career diplomats. European powers are seeking inclusion in discussions but maintain conflicting strategic objectives.

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0:00.0	This is CBSI on the world. I'm John Batchezer, Gregory Copley, my colleague and friend and mentor.
0:11.9	Defense and Foreign Affairs is here, and Gregory is gainfully agreed to join in a speculation about the near future, a war game. It has written up in a new
0:24.7	book that is a sensation in Europe coming a U.S. way. You can get it on Amazon now. There's a little
0:30.1	delay in delivering. However, it's entitled, if Russia wins, it gains a lot of attention. It's written by Carlo Masala. We presume he's a real
0:41.0	person. It could be a pseudonym. But the situation is this. It is March 2020,
0:49.1	three years from now. Russian troops capture the small Estonian town of Narva and the island of Humana in the Baltic Sea.
0:58.0	After victory in Ukraine, Putin's long-mooted encroachment into the Baltic states has begun.
1:03.5	Europe's slow rearmament and its compromised military and intelligence capability now cleared to the enemies to exploit.
1:13.3	Does Article 5 of NATO apply?
1:22.1	What will the alliance decide? Will they risk nuclear war? There, we add one detail here to the write-up in Amazon selling books. There is no immediate agreement. They meet an emergency session in Brussels, and Estonia
1:30.6	decides that it's up to them, whether they're going to invoke Article 5 or not. They've
1:35.6	lost a piece of their territory, but the Russians are just sitting there in Nerva, which is
1:40.0	almost an entirely Russian-speaking city following through on Putin's ambition to reorganize
1:46.8	the Russian empire on the basis of Russian culture. Okay. So what begins to happen is hybrid events
1:54.4	here and there along the NATO frontier, similar to what we've seen reported recently, the drones flying into
2:02.7	Romania over Ukraine or the railroad explosion in Warsaw line into Ukraine. In Ukraine itself,
2:12.3	according to this book, there's a peace without a peace, a ceasefire without a ceasefire, a line of control that is violated routinely, but it is no longer the hottest of wars.
2:23.9	The attention of the earth has moved elsewhere.
2:27.3	And NATO then comes to a position saying, don't invoke Article 5.
2:32.2	We'll do nothing.
2:33.5	We don't want to encourage Russia to attack,
2:35.9	and they're looking for us to provoke them. Okay, we stop now, because this is actually being
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