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S8 Ep1131: Mary Kissel discusses NATO's decision to reinforce Ukraine with advanced drone technology and Patriot missile manufacturing. Ukraine is hailed as the "future of warfare," transitioning from a security consumer to a security contributor. Kissel emphasizes

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🗓️ 15 July 2026

⏱️ 7 minutes

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Mary Kissel discusses NATO's decision to reinforce Ukraine with advanced drone technology and Patriot missile manufacturing. Ukraine is hailed as the "future of warfare," transitioning from a security consumer to a security contributor. Kissel emphasizes the need for the US to counter Russian propaganda. (6)
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This is a high risk investment and you should not expect to be protected if something goes wrong. I'm John Bachelor with Mary Kissel, Executive, former senior advisor to the Secretary of State,

0:52.1

now at the Hudson Institute, we turn to the other hot war,

0:55.1

that's Ukraine. Mary, Mrs. Zelensky came to the anchor meeting of NATO with ambitions,

1:01.4

and I believe major ambitions were satisfied. The President of the United States offered to

1:07.2

manufacture patriot missiles in Ukraine with technology transferred from the U.S. IP to Ukraine.

1:13.6

At the same time, Germany, Herr Mertz promised the money for and the support for 50,000 drones

1:21.6

plus updating technology, the software, not just any drone, something that's capable of a drone attack called

1:29.1

a swarm that is considerably different than what we've gotten used to. A swarm is a combat unit

1:36.0

that within one or two kilometers of the target takes over and arranges itself like the Air Force

1:44.0

without people.

1:45.5

The first attack takes out the air defense, and then the fighters take out the other fighters,

1:51.7

and then the bombers go in.

1:53.3

It's outside of a human kill chain.

1:56.0

That's the technology that's been transferred to Ukraine.

1:59.4

Ukraine already is running a very effective long-range campaign

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