S8 Ep1123: Headline: Sustainable Futures and the Weight of Modern Consumption Guest: Professor Peter Frankopan Book Title: The Earth Transformed: An Untold History In the final segment, Frankopan highlights the staggering ecological footprint of modern life, noti
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🗓️ 13 July 2026
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| 0:00.0 | This is CBSI in the world. I'm John Batchel with Professor Peter Frankapan. |
| 0:09.1 | The Earth Transformed and untold history. This has to do with natural resources and exploitation. |
| 0:16.3 | We no longer cut down huge forests, well, not on purpose. But I learned from Peter's reporting that one |
| 0:22.4 | cotton shirt requires 2,700 liters of fresh water. I'm stunned, Peter. Is that a factor in the |
| 0:30.2 | cotton industry? I know they've done a lot of work about blood cotton, but the use of water seems |
| 0:36.8 | reckless. Is there comment on this generally? |
| 0:40.4 | Yeah, I mean, that amount of water, just under 3,000 litres of fresh water is the equivalent |
| 0:45.8 | of a person's drinking needs for two and a half years. A pair of jeans, it's about three times |
| 0:51.2 | that amount. The global fashion industry produces around about |
| 0:54.9 | 10% of all greenhouse gas emissions averaged out. And some projections put it that in the next |
| 1:00.8 | 20 years, that's going to treble. So I think that my job as an educator and as a professor |
| 1:08.1 | is to give people more knowledge than perhaps they had beforehand |
| 1:12.5 | and to let them make their own decisions about how they use that. But I hadn't realized the level |
| 1:18.6 | of waste, for example, around food. So we waste globally around 930 million tons of perfectly |
| 1:25.6 | edible food that if you put that all in 40-ton trucks, |
| 1:29.5 | would stretch around the world seven times around, 231 million trucks. |
| 1:35.3 | So there are all sorts, sorry, 23 million trucks, would stretch around the world seven times round. |
| 1:40.9 | So the wastage that we go through, because the way we make things, the way we |
| 1:45.9 | discard things, the way we throw things away, looks to me totally unsustainable. And of course, |
| 1:51.5 | we individually, we're quite good, I think. No one really opens the window of their car |
| 1:55.3 | and chucks trash out onto the sidewalk. No one, no one deliberately throws food away from their |
| 1:59.9 | fridge because they can't be |
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