S8 Ep1116: Headline: Presidential Immunity and the Legal Challenges Facing Donald Trump Guest: Richard Epstein Epstein discusses the Supreme Court's 2024 immunity ruling, distinguishing between official and unofficial acts. He critiques President Trump's private bus
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John Batchelor
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🗓️ 11 July 2026
⏱️ 12 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | I'm John Batchel with Professor Richard Epstein of the Civitas Institute, the University of Texas at Austin, |
| 0:21.8 | who teaches law at NYU and the University of Chicago. |
| 0:24.5 | Presidential immunity from prosecution, from civil affairs, civil suits, while in office, during office, behind office, before office. |
| 0:35.8 | All these questions have been looked at by different cases |
| 0:38.9 | over these last decades of the 20th century. The presiding decision right now is Trump versus |
| 0:45.7 | the United States 2024, which determined this court, Roberts Court, all presidents have |
| 0:51.5 | absolute criminal immunity for official acts under core, |
| 0:54.9 | constitutional powers, presumptive immunity for other official acts. The court held there is |
| 1:01.0 | no immunity for unofficial acts. That's 2024. We also look at civil immunity. Nixon versus |
| 1:10.4 | Fitzgerald, 1982. The president has absolute immunity from civil immunity. Nixon versus Fitzgerald, 1982, the president has absolute immunity from |
| 1:14.2 | civil damages actions regarding conduct within the, quote, outer perimeter of his duties. |
| 1:21.7 | In Clinton v. Jones, 97, the court ruled against temporary immunity for sitting presidents from suits arising from pre-presidency conduct. |
| 1:31.5 | That's the range of questions that are now brought into the story because of the conduct of President Trump that has not been explained. |
| 1:43.6 | One is use of the acting Attorney General, |
| 1:48.6 | who is now going up before the Senate |
| 1:50.1 | because he's been nominated to be the Attorney General, Mr. Blanche, |
| 1:55.5 | conducting his office in a fashion in which he's the president's obedient lawyer, not the chief, the chief law enforcement |
| 2:05.0 | officer of the Department of Justice. And also because of the revelation of an enormous amount |
| 2:11.6 | of money the president earned from people buying a now nearly worthless crypto coin at the president's behest, |
| 2:22.0 | influencing decisions made by people who support the president, |
| 2:26.1 | but are now out a great deal of money. |
| 2:27.9 | There's also the suspicion raised during this controversy |
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