I'm John Batchler. I welcome Marian Mouaba of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracy to help me report on a strange

story that is too routine in the Chinese Communist Party.

Brutality and abuse and pursuit and purging of Christians, especially Christian pastors.

Mariam, a very good evening to you.

I see her story, and I've seen them before,

but for the reason you presented it so carefully,

made me pause again to ask, why?

Why are they doing this?

There's no percentage of winning.

Suppressing the Christian church.

Two thousand years, no percentage of winning.

And here we are.

October of 2025, an arrest of Pastor Jin, who is now released, but many other Christians

as well, pastors as well, many of whom are still held.

Why that arrest?

Why October 2025 was something happening? Good evening to you.

Good evening. Always a pleasure to be with you, sir. Look, there's a bit of context that we have to take

into account here. Obviously, there's a lot of enemies of Christians. You have the Islamists,

and you have all kinds of nations around the world persecuting Christians. And I think the question where,

where we should start here is what incentive does the Chinese Communist Party, the ruling party in

China have in persecuting Christians? And there's a couple of answers here. But the first and most

clear is obviously any sort of religion is antithetical to how the Chinese Communist Party rules.

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