S8 Ep1112: Josh Dean recounts Kelly Johnson's creation of the world's first drone for reconnaissance and his failed pitch for an A-12 bomber. He clashed with Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, who ordered the destruction of A-12 tools. The segment also highlights Jo
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🗓️ 10 July 2026
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Josh Dean recounts Kelly Johnson's creation of the world's first drone for reconnaissance and his failed pitch for an A-12 bomber. He clashed with Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, who ordered the destruction of A-12 tools. The segment also highlights Johnson's personal life on his California ranch. (10)
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| 0:00.0 | I'm John Bachelor of fun with Josh Dean telling stories of events that connect that I had no idea what the glue was. |
| 0:23.3 | The glue was Kelly Johnson and one man at Skunkworks. |
| 0:26.8 | And we're now going to connect drone technology, which now dominates not only the battlefield, |
| 0:33.6 | but all future planning in the 21st century for combatant units from a squad to a division to |
| 0:40.8 | air defense for a nation, the Golden Dome, all with drones. But it's Kelly who answers a request |
| 0:49.5 | by the Air Force to take photographs or gather information about it. |
| 0:56.0 | Is it a Chinese thermonuclear test site? |
| 0:58.6 | Is that what they're after, Josh? |
| 1:00.8 | Yes. |
| 1:01.2 | So the Chinese start in the 1960s to develop a nuclear program. |
| 1:06.5 | We are surprised by a detonation. |
| 1:09.0 | I believe it's in Mongolia. |
| 1:10.5 | It's too dangerous to overfly. They're worried about pilots getting shot down. We are surprised by a detonation. I believe it's in Mongolia. |
| 1:10.8 | It's too dangerous to overfly. |
| 1:13.3 | They're worried about pilots getting shot down and creating an international incident. |
| 1:16.6 | And so Kelly's got this new supersonic high-flying blackbird and proposes that they use it as a launch platform for a supersonic drone. |
| 1:26.1 | So basically launching a drone off the back |
| 1:28.5 | of another plane. So it's the world's first drone. It looks like a little baby version of the |
| 1:33.8 | Blackbird and it sits on the top. And it takes off and flies thousands of miles, takes pictures |
| 1:40.9 | and then turns around, I guess if it gets shot down, no one dies. |
| 1:45.3 | So that's, you know, the worst case scenario. |
| 1:46.9 | You don't lose a pilot. |
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