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S706: The Lie Detector part 1

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Javier Leiva

True Crime, Society & Culture, Technology

4.72.2K Ratings

🗓️ 16 March 2021

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

Learn how to cheat a polygraph test. Ex-cop, Doug Williams, says it's a lot easier than you think. Doug Williams is looking over his shoulder because, since 1979, he's been on a crusade to defeat the polygraph machine. In 1996, he started a website called polygraph.com, offering a handbook and one-on-one training teaching people how to pass the test. "There is no Pinocchio response. Your nose does not grow when you lie." - Doug Williams, polygraph critic According to Doug Williams, a lie detector test is about as accurate as a coin toss. He claims the machine doesn't work, and as a result, innocent people are paying the price. Many innocent people have pleaded guilty and skipped trial because they failed a polygraph during an interrogation. And employers routinely administered polygraph tests as part of their hiring process. If you fail a lie detector test in the US federal government, you're potentially placed on a blacklist and never allowed to apply for that government agency job again. Doug Willams says that the polygraph is just a stage prop used to scare people. How does he know this? Because he spent most of his law enforcement career using it as what he calls a psychological billy club. To him, it was just a tool to beat a confession out of a bad guy. But over the years, he realized that a polygraph test is just that... a test. It can be cheated. And he was going to devote the rest of his life to destroy it. Doug Williams made a career giving people polygraphs exams. Now, he's going to prison for teaching people how to cheat the test. To listen to the undercover tape that led to his arrest. Check out my latest episodes on YouTube: Credits This episode was reported by Javier Leiva. Special thanks to George Maschke with antipolygraph.org Support PRETEND by becoming a member today at pretendradio.org/donate Featured promo for Movie Pitch Challenge Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Creative Babel

0:09.0

Doug William. Hi, is this Doug? Hey, I did. Hey, Doug. It's Javier with the podcast. How's it going?

0:13.6

Hey, hey. How's it going? I'll tell you what I'm doing. I'm cruising down the road on a turnpike.

0:21.6

If it's okay with you, we can carry on. Let's give it a shot. You can say that the crazy crusader

0:29.2

is still on the road with his eye in the rearview mirror for the federalis.

0:36.0

You're just as exciting as I imagine you to be. Doug Williams is looking over his shoulder because

0:41.7

since 1979, he's been on a crusade trying to defeat the polygraph machine. In 1996, he started a

0:49.6

website called polygraph.com offering a manual and one-on-one training teaching people how to

0:55.3

beat the test. He claims the machine doesn't work in his result and his and people are paying the

1:01.1

price. His are a way to physically tell when somebody's lying. No, there is no conocchio response.

1:10.8

Your nose does not grow when you lie. Now, polygraph reaction is very, very simple. It's a

1:16.8

fighter flight response. A fighter flight response is when a shot of adrenaline shoots through your

1:22.1

body when confronted with a threat. Imagine a bear kicks open your cabin door. Your blood pressure

1:27.7

rises. Your sweat glands pour out and your heart begins to beat harder and faster. That's what it's

1:33.7

called the flight or flight response. Now, I will give him this. About 50% of the time when you're

1:40.4

asking a relevant question, did you steal that $10,000? And a guy did, in fact, steal that $10,000

1:47.3

and he has a reaction. 50% of the time that means he probably did steal that $10,000.

1:53.2

According to Doug Williams, a live detector test is about as accurate as a coin toss.

1:58.6

But 50% of the time it can also mean that he's enraged having to ask the question in the first place

2:04.8

and he's suffering from misplaced guilt. Even the tone of the examiner's voice can cause

2:10.3

any problems. I'm sure you've heard this argument before. Many people have pleaded guilty and

2:15.4

skipped trial because they failed the polygraph during an interrogation. Once upon a time,

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