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S707: The Lie Detector part 2

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Javier Leiva

True Crime, Society & Culture, Technology

4.72.2K Ratings

🗓️ 30 March 2021

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

Doug Williams, the former Oklahoma City police officer who is best known for his crusade against the polygraph industry, teaches an undercover federal agent how to beat the lie detector test. The agent confessed that he had sex with a minor and was smuggling drugs into a prison. Should Doug Williams continue the training? What if Doug William's techniques get into the wrong hands? Watch the undercover sting on YouTube. ________ Story idea? If you have a story to share, email Javier at [email protected]. For more episodes like this, visit pretendradio.org. To get early releases and bonus episodes, go to pretendradio.org/donate Today's episode was written and edited by Javier Leiva Featured promo for Die-alogue Podcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Creative battle.

0:08.6

Do you love True Crime Podcasts but could do without the chatty banter? Are you intrigued

0:13.1

by what's underneath our collective True Crime obsession and want to hear field experts,

0:17.6

authors and content creators wait in on the matter? Well, it might be time for you to

0:21.9

kill the small talk and join the dialogue. I'm Rebecca Sebastian, host of Dialogue

0:27.2

at True Crime Conversation. It's a weekly podcast where I speak with fascinating guests

0:31.7

from the True Crime world and the criminal justice system. Together, we explore the genre

0:36.8

itself and attempt to answer the why of True Crime and also the question, what are we even

0:41.2

talking about when we talk about True Crime? Join me, every Wednesday, for a new episode

0:46.6

and a killer conversation. Dialogue is part of the Crawl Space Network and available

0:50.9

wherever you listen.

0:57.5

This year in 2021, the polygraph machine turns 100 years old. Of course, man has been

1:05.0

lying since the beginning of time. That's a lot of lying and humans have tried all kinds

1:10.4

of creative ways to find out if someone is telling the truth. The oldest technique is torture.

1:16.5

In the Middle Ages, they would use boiling water unsuspected liars. They believed that honest

1:21.4

men would tolerate the pain better. Brutal, yes. Torture almost guarantees a confession,

1:28.2

but the quality of those confessions are pretty unreliable. It wasn't until 1921 that a machine

1:33.7

was created that could measure both blood and breathing. We call this the polygraph machine.

1:40.0

It's much more gentle than pulling off someone's fingernails with pliers. But the question

1:45.4

is how accurate is it? The device has changed form since its inception, but the basic

1:50.8

technology essentially remains the same. Here's George Mashkae from antipolygraph.org.

1:56.9

There was an earlier device developed by William Moulton Marston, who later went on to

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