You actually, you wanted to do this to cover victim stories and you really weren't sure if you were, and you really didn't think you were going to cover Jacob's case in the beginning. Is that right?

Yeah, that's right. I didn't want to talk about it. It's something that is extremely traumatic for me and my family. It's a situation

that is the worst situation that we've ever had as a family. And so it was not something that I was

excited to do. I created the show in honor of Jacob because I wanted to help people who were in the same

situation as my family and I. So initially, I wasn't going to do Jacob's story at all.

Can you tell me about your decision to cover Jacob's case. Was there something, a specific event that caused

you to want to cover his case? Yeah, I was talking to the mom of a murder victim. Her name was

Amanda. Her teenage son and his best friend were taken out into the desert and brutally murdered.

She came on the show to talk about the case, talk about her fight for justice, and we were

having a conversation and I said to her something along the lines of whatever you ignore,

are you allowed to continue? And if you're not willing to talk

about these things, then you can't expect them to change. I strive really hard to not be a hypocrite.

So when I said that, I kind of felt like I slapped myself in the face and decided in that moment

that I was going to, I was going to be true to that. I'm not just going to say

something like that and not be true to it. So as soon as that interview was over, I called my mom

and I asked her if she wanted to be interviewed on the podcast to talk about Jacob because I thought

it would be a good opportunity for us to, one, finally have a conversation about something we've

never talked about. And two, hopefully

it would create some kind of catharsis for us to have that kind of off of our shoulders. And then

the third goal was maybe it could help some other people who are maybe in a similar situation

or might help somebody avoid a similar situation.

So those were kinds of the things going on in my mind. Of course I wanted justice for Jacob,

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