Building a startup or building a company as a race, you know, it's really all about your pace and has very little to do with your top speed.

And in the early days of Zen Hub, I think back, you know, when I was in my early 20s, I would be working 10, 12 hours a day.

There was just always more to do.

And you find out pretty quickly, for me it was, you know, two, three years in, that that's not very

sustainable to be sprinting at top speed the entire time.

So for me, a big learning was just slowing down.

There's importance to that and focusing on yourself along the journey as well and not just

putting so much energy and giving so much energy to the business and to other people necessarily around that.

Hey, my name is Aaron Upright and I'm the co-founder of ZinHub.

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Aaron Upright used to get a ton of energy staying up late and strategizing about his startup.

But now that he is eight years in, he gets the most energy from what he does

outside of work. Living outside Vancouver, he enjoys spending quality time with family and friends,

and routing mountain bikes, which he finds particularly physically and mentally stimulating.

In the past, Aaron and his team noticed the gap between developers and product folks,

as developers were working in GitHub, while product managers were working in and reporting on project software.

They took a step back and decided to create something to solve this problem and match the tool to their ethos.

This is the creation story of Zen Hub.

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