I was at this time living, like so many atheists or anti-theists, in a whirl of contradictions.

I maintained that God did not exist, and I was also very angry with God for not existing,

and I was equally angry with him for creating the world.

This is Pines for Jack, Season 5, Episode 61.

Spirits in Bondage.

After Hours with Dr. Karen Swallow Pryor.

Good morning, everyone.

Pints with Jack is your weekly CSLO's podcast, where Andrew, Matt and I break down and discuss the works.S. Lewis. I'm David, and we're now nearing the end of season five. And we're currently

in our final speciality month for this season, Poetry Month, focusing on the often neglected

subject of C.S. Lewis's poetry. Today's episode began with a quotation from Surprise by Joy, where Lewis describes

how he felt at an earlier point in his life, right around the time that he wrote and published a

collection of poems under the title, Spirits in Bondage. We're going to be looking at that collection

today, and our guide will be the notorious KSP, Dr. Karen Swallow Pry. Dr. Karen Swallow-Pryer is research professor of English

and Christianity and Culture at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary. She has a monthly column

for Religion News Service, and her writing has appeared in publications such as Christianity

Today, The Atlantic, The Washington Post, and First Things. She is host of the podcast, Jane and Jesus,

and she's the author of many books, including On Reading Well, Finding the Good Life Through Great Books,

and Fierce Convictions, The Extraordinary Life of Hannah Moore, Poet, Reformer, Abolitionist. Dr. Karen Swallow

Pryor, welcome to Pints for Jack. Thank you for having me.

It's a pleasure to be here. Well, this interview has been a long time in the making. Because in

2020, I think it was, Lexham Press produced a new version of Lewis's poetry collection spirits in

bondage. And I noticed that you had written the forward and I had followed you on Twitter

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