Pain insists upon being attended to.

God whispers to us in our pleasures,

speaks in our conscience, but shouts in our pains.

It is his megaphone to rouse a deaf world.

This is Pines for Jack, Season 5, Episode 41.

Why is there suffering?

After Hours with Dr. Bethany M. Soloretta.

Good morning, everyone.

Pinesford Jack is your favourite weekly CS Lewis podcast, where Andrew, Matt and I break down

and discuss the works of C.S. Lewis.

This season, we've been talking about love. We worked our way through Lewis's book, The Four Loves. And we then had

ecumenism month, and we are now in the middle of Apologetics Month, where we're examining

some of Lewis's favorite arguments for reality, God, and Christianity. The quotation at the start of this episode is from the

problem of pain, and from that you might be able to guess what we're going to be talking about

today. We're talking about what I think is the best argument for atheism, which Lewis called

the problem of pain. And to guide us through this topic, I'm joined by Bethany N. Solareda. Dr. Solereta received her

PhD in Theology from the University of Exeter and an MCS in interdisciplinary studies from

Regent College, Vancouver. She is a research fellow at the La Dato C Research Institute at Campion

Hall at the University of Oxford. She specialises in theology concerning evolution

and the problem of suffering, and is currently working on the theological aspects of our changing

climate. Bethany also lived at the kilns for several years as a scholar in residence.

She is the author of God, Evolution and Animal Suffering, Theodicy Without a Fall,

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