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Pints with Jack: The C.S. Lewis Podcast

S5E42 – Apologetics Month: “The Argument From Desire” – After Hours with Joe Heschmeyer

Pints with Jack: The C.S. Lewis Podcast

David Bates, Matt Bush, and Andrew Lazo

Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.8638 Ratings

🗓️ 10 May 2022

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

Lewis said that before he was six years old, he was "a votary of the Blue Flower". The Blue Flower symbolized a life-long longing, "an unsatisfied desire which is itself more desirable than any other satisfaction". Lewis used this idea in Mere Christianity to build The Argument From Desire, which Joe Heshmeyer discusses on today's show as part of "Apologetics Month".

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If I find in myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy,

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the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world.

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This is Pints with Jack, Season 5, Episode 42.

0:22.1

Apologetics Month, the argument from desire.

0:25.2

After hours with Joseph Heschmore.

0:33.0

Good morning, everyone.

0:34.8

Pints with Jack is your weekly CS Lois podcast where three friends,

0:38.2

Andrew, David and Matt break down and discuss the works of CS Lewis. This season we read The Four

0:43.5

Loves and we're now in the middle of apologetics month, talking about Lewis's favourite apologetic

0:48.4

arguments to defend the existence of God and the Lordship of Christ. And today we're talking

0:53.7

with Joseph Heschmeier.

0:55.9

Joe Heschmeier is a blogger at shamelesspupri.com, and I first met Joe in person in 2011,

1:02.4

while he was still a practicing attorney in Washington, D.C., after reading his blog for several years.

1:07.8

And following that, he spent some time as a seminarian in Rome and later worked as

1:12.0

an instructor at Holy Family School of Faith in Kansas City. But he is now an author and a staff

1:17.1

apologist for Catholic Answers. Joe Heschmire, welcome to Pites with Jack. Thanks for having me on.

1:23.5

This is really nice. We're actually recording this well in advance of Apologetics Month. My wife and I are in San Diego for a wedding. And so we had dinner with Joe, his wife and children. And he said, well, while you in town, let's knock it out. Exactly. It's a good timing. We were both visiting San Diego at the same time.

1:40.7

The stars aligned. And today I am drinking Coca- cola because i have just had mexican food for lunch

1:47.8

and this is the best thing to chase it how about yourself i'm nice to drinking a diet coke

1:52.0

i'm not proud of it gets you through the day exactly well cheers cheers so i gave a little bit of an introduction to you and how we know each other.

2:04.2

Would you mind filling out your background a little bit?

2:06.1

Yeah.

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