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S5E38 Orson Hyde and the Prophecy of the Civil War Part 2

Standard of Truth

Dr. Gerrit Dirkmaat

Religion & Spirituality

4.9992 Ratings

🗓️ 11 September 2025

⏱️ 79 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, we continue our discussion of the context leading to Orson Hyde writing a letter to the Missouri Republican. Utah is desperately trying to get into the Union while half of the states are seceding from the Union. Gerrit then reads the letter and provides commentary. We also discuss a litner’s email about Christian’s understanding of the Trinity based on the King James Version of the Bible.   Kristy’s KorneЯ (Last Minute Lesson Prep): Gerrit shares his thoughts on D&C 101 and the idea of what do we do when the Lord doesn’t answer our prayers in the way we may want Image attempting to explain the Trinity: https://thepentecostalwesleyan.substack.com/p/the-core-doctrines-of-the-christian-4fb    Standard of Truth Tour dates for the summer of 2027: ⁠ https://standardoftruth.com/tours Our 2026 tours are sold out, but if you would like to join us in the future, here is a link to our 2027 tours: ⁠ Sign up for our free monthly email: ⁠ ⁠https://standardoftruthpodcast.substack.com⁠   If you have any questions or possible topics of discussion for upcoming podcasts, please email us at: ⁠⁠questions@standardoftruthpodcast.com Show Notes: • 00:05:00 – Sunday School etiquette humor and Kristy’s Corner segment • 00:07:20 – D&C 101: Zion’s expulsion, Joseph’s 1833 letter to Missouri Saints • 00:10:04 – Lessons from unanswered prayers — “be still and know that I am God” • 00:12:16 – Hope of Zion’s redemption and Abrahamic parallels of consecration • 00:13:52 – Listener mailbag: Lacey’s email on the Trinity and KJV • 00:16:02 – Banter about reading emails late and missionary timelines • 00:18:08 – Explaining the Nicene Creed: three persons, one God, and why it confuses • 00:20:28 – The “triangle diagram” of the Trinity and its limits • 00:23:00 – Matthew 3:16–17 — Baptism of Jesus challenges Trinity claims • 00:25:22 – Workarounds: Some early Christians claimed “the voice was an angel” • 00:28:05 – Story: Lithuanian Catholic convert rejects Trinity after reading scripture • 00:31:00 – Council of Nicaea and how early Christians struggled with monotheism & Christ’s divinity • 00:35:26 – Who still uses the King James Bible today? Presbyterians, Baptists, Pentecostals • 00:39:16 – NIV vs KJV — John 1:18 and doctrinal differences in translation • 00:41:00 – Listener Dawson’s email introduces Orson Hyde’s Civil War letter • 00:45:00 – Charleston newspapers: downplaying fears of large-scale war in 1861 • 00:48:00 – Missouri newspapers: hope that secession won’t mean inevitable war • 00:51:00 – Virginia’s call for a 10,000–20,000 militia — seen as scandalous then • 00:55:00 – Hartford Convention (1814): New England nearly secedes during War of 1812 • 01:00:00 – Hindsight bias: Chamberlain’s “peace for our time” compared with prophecy • 01:05:00 – Critics on D&C 87 — manuscript evidence and Pearl of Great Price 1851 printing • 01:10:00 – Faith and prophecy: why hindsight makes Joseph’s revelation look “obvious” Resources & References: • Doctrine & Covenants 101 (revelation on Zion’s expulsion) • Joseph Smith’s Dec. 1833 letter to Missouri Saints • D&C 58: “After much tribulation cometh the blessing” • John 17:3 — knowing God and Jesus Christ • Matthew 3:16–17 — Baptism of Jesus (voice from heaven) • Nicene Creed (A.D. 325) and Athanasian Creed • King James Bible vs. NIV comparison (John 1:18) • Council of Nicaea historical background • Orson Hyde’s Letter to the Missouri Republican (1862)

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Standard of Truth podcast. In this podcast, Dr. Garrett Dirk-Mott and Dr. Richard

0:08.2

Leduc explore the early history of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the life

0:14.3

and teachings of the prophet Joseph Smith. They examine the original historical sources and provide

0:20.4

context for events of the past.

0:23.1

They approach the history of the church with faith, expertise, and humor.

0:37.1

Hi, welcome to another episode of the Standard of Truth podcast.

0:40.8

I'm your host, Dr. Garrett Dirkmont, and I am joined by my erstwhile friend, Dr. Richard

0:45.5

LaDuke.

0:46.4

Hello, Garrett.

0:47.4

Thanks for having me back.

0:48.5

It's a real pleasure to be with you today as we do part two of what I can only assume

0:53.9

will be a six-part series on Orson

0:56.3

Hyde's letter to the Missouri Republican.

1:01.3

Boy, you're selling that the same way I sold the Provo Central State Minutes from 1856.

1:07.2

It is actually funny, the places that you find some of the really the best content.

1:11.6

It is actually really interesting and funny.

1:13.4

I mean, you're saying that.

1:14.5

No, it's true.

1:15.2

Whether it's the Provost Central's 1856, state conference minutes, or the Missouri Republican

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in 1862, wherever you go.

1:25.6

I mean, these are just amazing sources.

1:44.2

It's just, they're just amazing. Well, they are actually gems that you find. I mean, you actually, it's funny because people, people ask questions all the time, like, how did we not know this before? And it's like, well, because we had to read it. Yeah, we had to go and search and find it. And that happens all the time. I mean, even with my current assignment working on Joseph Smith's legal papers,

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