Hey everyone, Sarah Longwell here, publisher of the bulwark. I am joined by my colleague Will Summer,

and I got to say, just because the focus group podcast is on hiatus doesn't mean that I have

stopped doing focus groups. And Will, as always, is on the beat of what the MAGA types

are thinking and talking about. And we had a convergence of focus group stuff and

MAGA Epstein stuff that I wanted us to come together and talk about. We recently did

over here a group of 2024 Trump voters who disapprove

of Trump right now. And there's actually a ton of good stuff in that group. But I wanted to

zero in on Epstein because I personally have been a little obsessed with this and don't understand

why more people. And this is going to, I'm going to have my,

like, what is the media doing moment? Like, even though we're the media, we're talking about it.

But I am trying to understand why it is not more interesting to mainstream media types that

the Trump administration, which ran in part on we are going to uncover

the deep state. We're going to put our people in there and we're going to show you guys everything.

We're going to show you where the aliens are and how many shooters there were on the grassy knoll.

And we are going to uncover the Epstein files and the global

peto cabal that has been controlling our politics and we're going to get our guy Trump in there and

our guy cash Patel in there and our girl Pam Bondi in there and they're going to show us and they all

promised to do it they ran on it as a matter of here's who we are and

here's what we're going to do for you. And then when they got in there, they said, this is coming,

guys. We got it. It's on my desk. And then big fat, nothing. I was dying to hear what voters

were going to say about it. But before I tell you what the voters said about it, I don to know what Will Summer thinks about it. Yeah, I mean, this is a huge issue. I, you know, I've seen your posts about it, I, you know, in terms of egging Republicans

on to, like, do something.

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