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Hello, we're back with another podcast from Johannesburg.

On the day South Africa have announced their team for the second tests,

19 changes to the 23 six uncapped players in the squad.

It's certainly not what many were expecting but it does mean there's plenty to discuss

in the company of Springbock legend John de Villia, Gareth Griffiths, and we also had a word with

Will Rowlands yesterday inside the Wales camp. A warm welcome to the Scrum 5 podcast.

Oh good podcast by the way. Okay, so Wales had to Bloomfon turn on third step for the second test and I'm joined by a man who beat them there on their last visit back in 2008

well and indeed someone who's had plenty of success against Wales in his career

rugby royalty Jean de Ville on the pod. Jean how you feeling after Saturday

have you come back down to earth after what was an incredible game? Well I don't I don't

know if it's coming back down to earth I think it's just taking it all in and

and trying to make sense of it all it was a it was an extraordinary game you know I

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