In my experience, every single time when you ask the probing questions and you get to that and you think about measurements, even if you understand the business problem, but you can't articulate success, something's not right. You have to have both of those. And so if you have that outside end view, you start with measurable outcomes so you know what success looks like.

I've had a really, really good experience in my career in delivering, you know, things that, you know,

excite the market, excite customers and really solve problems, which, you know, anybody that to me is in software engineering,

and at the end of the day, that's what we love to do is solve problems for our customers.

My name is Ken Gervanovick, and I'm the head of engineering at Uncork.

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I'm your host, Noah Lapphart, and today, how Ken Gironovic

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Ken Gavronovic lives in the northern suburbs of Atlanta, namely Alpharetta, with his wife

Heather and two teenage daughters.

As a kid, he was fascinated by the movie War Games.

But what excited him most was not the war aspect,

but the fact that a kid could sit in front of a computer and build anything with their mind.

That got Ken excited.

While living in Galveston, Texas, he dove into computers as a 10-year-old,

reading books and learning assembly.

His first computer job was working on the PIC operating system, where he built a way for people to send faxes from their desk.

The year after, his solution was a $2 million business.

Post that, he moved to New York to write software and then to Florida.

While in Florida, the internet started booming about the same time as AOL.

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