Hello everyone and welcome to the focus group podcast I'm Sarah

Longwell publisher of the Bullwork and today we're talking about swing voters.

Those elusive voters that aren't definitively locked into either party and

evaluate candidates a bit differently than their more tribal brethren.

But I'm going to need you to buckle up because these swing voters are not happy with

Joe Biden and some of them are considering swinging back to Donald Trump or are tempted by third party options.

A lot of these Trump to Biden voters are what's being called the double doubters or the double haters if you want to be meaner.

The people who dislike both candidates.

According to Democratic pollster Doug Sosnick in 2016, Donald Trump won these voters by 17 points and in 2020

Joe Biden won them by 15 points. My guest today is the great Amy Walter editor editor-in-chief of the Cook political report with

Amy Walter and she was the first guest, the OG guest when this podcast launched.

She is the only person who has been here four times. She is my friend and a focus group

Hall of Famer. Amy, thanks for being here. Thank you. And for that, I get a jacket, right?

That's a four time club or a vest.

Really a vest.

Anybody who's not watching on YouTube, I am vested up for the fall.

We can never go wrong with the vest.

All right.

So, okay, so here's, these were some good groups.

These were some good groups.

This is gonna be a good one.

I've been excited for this one.

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